I’ve always taken alternative health classes

I spend a lot of my time in vitamin stores because i love taking herbal supplements. Whenever i’m approach by a marketing scheme with some bogus herbal product ….i just laugh. Most of the herbal products in marketing are prices 500-1000% more than any well known vitamin brand. When i ask about a certain ingrediant reguards too the herbal product ….these marketing distributor always tell me some famous Dr. recommends it. They always have some person on a sales tape making unrealistic health claims.

I’ve heard of claims like: take colloidal minerals and live to 150 years old, or take a few tablets of this and you’ll be cured of aids. There are millions of Intelligant people falling for this type of hype yearly. Then there’s Amuixt they probably have the best product line out of all the marketing. But Amuixt prices are extremely high. Ive always said that if u can show me a marketing company that i can actually save money …I’ll join and be very successful. A marketing company where you can save money and earn some extra cash for long term is impossible to find in network marketing. That’s why i can never promote a marketing program because I always had a hard problem convincing myself to by the products at such a high price….nevermind telling a friend to buy this product.

And I agree, Altruism by definition is an act of unselfishness

and so may include an element of sacrifice whereas benevolence is simply being helpful or friendly. Philanthropy is a love for humankind which puts benevolence into practical actions.

“Giving blood to help a loved one or at least a benevolent stranger is not a “sacrifice”.

I’d have to didsagree. Giving blood, especially to a stranger, does require sacrifice. You have to go to the clinic, be pricked, and endure a little wooziness.

“Dedicating 15 years of your life to an HerLton diamond with nothing to show for it *is* a sacrifice.”

I disagree again. There was probably an expectation of profit. The expectation of profit reveals a motive that is self-oriented, not self-less, and therefore not a deliberate sacrifice. A sacrifice is a voluntary relinguishing of something one values. Ruth’s unfortunate experience is the result of having been deceived while in the pursuit of profit.

On the other hand, the fact that Ruth is now willing to suffer financially in order to prevent OTHERS from also being deceived is a sacrifice, altruistic, and her benevolent manner with everyone here shows her philanthropic leanings.

I develop a better product & I sell it

I make money and you get a valuable product. Gates and company invent a usable computer and makes millions because millions benefit.

MLM is not honest; people are selling an illusory “opportunity” that can go out of business/change its comp plan/cost more than you earn etc. by pressuring, lying, etc. The consumer has not been benefitted–in fact, he is not a consumer at all but someone buying the illusory business opportunity.

Gates does not have to scream at you for being a dreams telling loser or show off his wealth in order to get you to buy anything. His product sells itself. MLM products supposedly do, but
I have never heard of anyone retailing $200 water filters or $100 bottles of vitamins.

I agree that honest capitalism is altruistic

I develop a better product; I sell it. I make money and you get a valuable product. Gates and company invent a usable computer and makes millions because millions benefit.

Marketing is not honest; people are selling an “opportunity” that can go out of business/change its comp plan/cost more than you earn etc. by pressuring, lying, etc. Gates does not have to scream at you for being a dreamstealing loser or show off his wealth in order to get you to buy anything.

Just letting you all know

that the class representative we have sent out an email blast reminding students of the “no selling” policy among other things going on in class. I think she did a good job of explaining it. Anyway, 1/4 of the class room out of 20 gave her a hard time. Including the Party Lite girl. Of course the mlm girl acted like a ditz and said “I wasn’t selling to anyone yet” I saw her talk to 4 other class mates, during a break, about it and they all looked stunned by the email that was sent. So it looks like to me she got 4 other people behind her. I was somewhat surprise by that. Anyway, since then, things have calmed down.

People in class are more mindful. I was amazed at the rucus the mlm girl was causing over that email. I remained annomynous about the whole deal so she still has no clue I was part of that email. I’m nice to everyone. It was the way we spoke to her that calmed her down. We reminded her that she was doing a good thing going to massage school. It was amazing how nice she was to me today for the first time in weeks. Just normal nice, no circles or network marketing talk. I am aware that she may slip up again some day as long as she is still in an mlm. She is a nice person and not a bad one, just clue less to the brain washing ways of mlm’s. I guess it should not be surprising to me that she got 4 other people behind her biz. They don’t know what they don’t know. At least this has been stoppped now, before it got worse.

Wasted 7 years of my life in Amway

I started in Amway in 1997, in my mid-20s…. the usual promises were made by upline sponsors, and the (Piece Of Work) Emeralds I got stuck with.. The drove off more people than average.. For the next 7 years (and two groups later), I only had a lot of money out and I didn’t even make it to the 2500 level (got close), but certainly bought a lot of “business materials” to the tune of 7000 per year. That’s what your “successful upline” wants you to do, ,so they can pad their own pockets with your hard earned income you make on your “real job”.

I really can’t buy a lot of what the OP is peddling, but can only draw from my own experiences from it (some are on the site I posted up top), but wanted to put out one or two positives, and the same amount of negatives…

1) Yes, you get totally consumed with the process…. especially early on… You become a gnome who only associates with “like minded people” and not “dream stealers”… those one’s who are smart enough to know that you’re getting sold a bill of goods.
To “sell out” in the process, I gave up *almost* all of my extracurricular activities, with the exception of bowling and card playing, thinking I could find “prospects” at those locations… Boy, was I wrong, lol. In addition, I let myself go, physically. I gained 70# ( Since I recovered my sense, I’ve lost all of that spare tire, and am in pretty good shape after all this).

I tend to be better in social circles (as I was somewhat more introverted before I started), and dont’ have a problem meeting new people anymore. At least when I meet these new people, I don’t have an ulterior motive anymore. I don’t carry tapes in my pocket anymore.

When I left, the biz for good in 1995, I really kept in touch with no one there, and only one person bothered to contact me after the fact. Figures, huh? I’m actually much more balanced now… lol

In addition

1. Launch a complaint with the BBB.(Some MLMs have tried to comply with BBB complaints).
2. You can even call your local DA’s office. I am pretty sure most of these fraudulent businesses will hate to get a phone call from a DA’s office.

If you have any automatic debits on your accounts or on your credit cards – cancel them immediately

Instruct your bank and credit cards to be on the lookout for fraudulent attempts to access your accounts.

Send a certified mail to the registered place of business for this company addressed to the registered agent for the company and instruct them that you have terminated the agreement and the day and date and time you did so.

Keep copies of everything. And keep precise notes of any phone calls.

You can call whatever version of the State Corporation Commission

that your state has and find out what to do. Also, send them snail mail, return receipt requested so they know you can prove they’ve received it. If you have to send it priority to get it there in time, take that into consideration.

I’d also verify the email address and send them the same email every 5 minutes. Some mailers will let you set up a system to do that. That’s one place where being a geek is an advantage becuase it’s not hard to write a program that can do that.

Any ex-Ameriplanners here?

I have been trying to quit since the 16th. I called and when I finally got through they said it had to be written and I could send them an e-mail. I did that, never heard back and still had access to their stuff. When I called back they said that did not have me as pending withdrawl. I have sent several more e-mails and now I can’t get back through on the phone. I still have their stuff. They are going to charge me the infamous broker fee again too. How in the heck do I get out of this?! Has anyone had any experiences with this? ANy info would be helpful. THanks so much!

I’m sorry I didn’t explain myself

I agree with you entirely that very, very few (less than 1%) even breakeven in MLM, let alone make some decent money. This is something that, in my experience, no one is ever told in the recruitment process. Certainly MLM is not the way to a comfortable retirement

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