Just letting you all know

that the class representative we have sent out an email blast reminding students of the “no selling” policy among other things going on in class. I think she did a good job of explaining it. Anyway, 1/4 of the class room out of 20 gave her a hard time. Including the Party Lite girl. Of course the mlm girl acted like a ditz and said “I wasn’t selling to anyone yet” I saw her talk to 4 other class mates, during a break, about it and they all looked stunned by the email that was sent. So it looks like to me she got 4 other people behind her. I was somewhat surprise by that. Anyway, since then, things have calmed down.

People in class are more mindful. I was amazed at the rucus the mlm girl was causing over that email. I remained annomynous about the whole deal so she still has no clue I was part of that email. I’m nice to everyone. It was the way we spoke to her that calmed her down. We reminded her that she was doing a good thing going to massage school. It was amazing how nice she was to me today for the first time in weeks. Just normal nice, no circles or network marketing talk. I am aware that she may slip up again some day as long as she is still in an mlm. She is a nice person and not a bad one, just clue less to the brain washing ways of mlm’s. I guess it should not be surprising to me that she got 4 other people behind her biz. They don’t know what they don’t know. At least this has been stoppped now, before it got worse.

Wasted 7 years of my life in Amway

I started in Amway in 1997, in my mid-20s…. the usual promises were made by upline sponsors, and the (Piece Of Work) Emeralds I got stuck with.. The drove off more people than average.. For the next 7 years (and two groups later), I only had a lot of money out and I didn’t even make it to the 2500 level (got close), but certainly bought a lot of “business materials” to the tune of 7000 per year. That’s what your “successful upline” wants you to do, ,so they can pad their own pockets with your hard earned income you make on your “real job”.

I really can’t buy a lot of what the OP is peddling, but can only draw from my own experiences from it (some are on the site I posted up top), but wanted to put out one or two positives, and the same amount of negatives…

1) Yes, you get totally consumed with the process…. especially early on… You become a gnome who only associates with “like minded people” and not “dream stealers”… those one’s who are smart enough to know that you’re getting sold a bill of goods.
To “sell out” in the process, I gave up *almost* all of my extracurricular activities, with the exception of bowling and card playing, thinking I could find “prospects” at those locations… Boy, was I wrong, lol. In addition, I let myself go, physically. I gained 70# ( Since I recovered my sense, I’ve lost all of that spare tire, and am in pretty good shape after all this).

I tend to be better in social circles (as I was somewhat more introverted before I started), and dont’ have a problem meeting new people anymore. At least when I meet these new people, I don’t have an ulterior motive anymore. I don’t carry tapes in my pocket anymore.

When I left, the biz for good in 1995, I really kept in touch with no one there, and only one person bothered to contact me after the fact. Figures, huh? I’m actually much more balanced now… lol

In addition

1. Launch a complaint with the BBB.(Some MLMs have tried to comply with BBB complaints).
2. You can even call your local DA’s office. I am pretty sure most of these fraudulent businesses will hate to get a phone call from a DA’s office.

If you have any automatic debits on your accounts or on your credit cards – cancel them immediately

Instruct your bank and credit cards to be on the lookout for fraudulent attempts to access your accounts.

Send a certified mail to the registered place of business for this company addressed to the registered agent for the company and instruct them that you have terminated the agreement and the day and date and time you did so.

Keep copies of everything. And keep precise notes of any phone calls.

You can call whatever version of the State Corporation Commission

that your state has and find out what to do. Also, send them snail mail, return receipt requested so they know you can prove they’ve received it. If you have to send it priority to get it there in time, take that into consideration.

I’d also verify the email address and send them the same email every 5 minutes. Some mailers will let you set up a system to do that. That’s one place where being a geek is an advantage becuase it’s not hard to write a program that can do that.

Any ex-Ameriplanners here?

I have been trying to quit since the 16th. I called and when I finally got through they said it had to be written and I could send them an e-mail. I did that, never heard back and still had access to their stuff. When I called back they said that did not have me as pending withdrawl. I have sent several more e-mails and now I can’t get back through on the phone. I still have their stuff. They are going to charge me the infamous broker fee again too. How in the heck do I get out of this?! Has anyone had any experiences with this? ANy info would be helpful. THanks so much!

Most people I know that have a JOB are just over broke!

Most people I know in MLM are the 99% that are not making a fortune. I think loving what you do, getting a great education, & having a really balanced life make all of us successful. I know alot of people that make really good money but do not have time freedom & spend accordly to their income and then when there are cutbacks, layoffs, they are not prepared. Alot of us live paycheck to paycheckthesedays, if we make an awesome income it takes an awesome income each week just to pay our bills. We need to teach young children LIFE 101 in early stages of life. There are great jobs out there in anything you do.

He said that she will be also be able to give them more

I simply told him that the best things in life can’t be bought, which is how he was brought up. I was a stay at home mom, and I am so thankful that we were able to live on one paycheck. It’s not always easy for families to do that, but I’d say to anyone spend as mich time with your kids as you can. They grow up before you know it. I think MLMs will really regret the time they give up with their kids when they finally figure out that they’re chasing a dream that doesn’t come true. That goes for dads as well as moms.

Sorry everyone about the double post. I lost the first e-mail before I was done. I have a laptop and sometimes I move the curser and lose what I was doing. This is the first time I ever hit the ‘send’ and didn’t know it. The second post, if not read, just says that not spending time with your kids reminds me of the song Cats in the Cradle by Harry Chapin and there’s a youtube web site to hear the song.


I don’t think there is is anything more important than spending time with your kids. That’s something money just cannot buy!
Reading this post reminded me of the woman of my son’s upline that has two little kids and leaves them a lot to do the Quixtar stuff (even went to weekend conferences two years in a row even though her son’s birthday was the same weekend). I made that comment to my son and he says that’s so she can have more time with them later. My reply was she will never get back the time she’s losing now. This also reminds me of the song “Cats in the Cradle” by Harry Chapin.

Welcome to the Blog!

I am glad you got out eventually! Better late than never – as they say. Now maybe you can take the next step and jettison the final generalizations from your mindset.(Using terms like “Just over broke” 🙂 )

This following statement is certainly NOT true.

>>It certainly is true that you never get anything more
>>than “just over broke” in a job and every month there still is more
>>month left than money.

I have been in , yes, a JOB for 15 years(never been in MLM). I am not a multi-millionaire, but I do much, much better than “Just over broke”.
(That term, by the way, is designed to disparage people that work hard to be productive and earn an honest living)
In my opinion, that is not so much because of what I make, but more because of what I spend. I am careful to pay off my “one” credit card each month, and have no desire to drive a Lamborghini ;). In short, a good education, training, focusing on a job and fiscal discipline can really get you places – when you focus on career growth. On the other hand, if you work a JOB and indulge in multiple MLMs or have other endless distractions, you are more likely than not to be less than committed to your career – you know, the one that is actually making it possible for you to lose money on MLMs. That is what causes you to grow less and prevents advancement in your career path.

Welcome back to the REAL world!! It’s a great place, isn’t it??

I think best thing is being able to meet people and learn about them. They are no longer “prospects” – but “Timmy’s Soccer Coach Who Walked The Appalachian Trail Last Summer” or the “Waitress Who Helps Rehabilitate Orphaned Wildlife”. Because you have no desire to manipulate conversations around to “Income opportunities” and how you plan to convince this person to attend the next meeting – you can listen and learn. And that IS a lot of fun!!!!!


After 7 years I realized I truly am Free! The other day I was driving down the road with the windows open and listening to the “RADIO” and I almost started to cry at how beautiful it was and how for so many years I ignored the simple pleasures of being alive because I was being told I had not earned the right to enjoy life yet.
I spend every night I can with my kids just doing kid stuff. We play ping pong, video games, just goof off. Last night we went to the mall food court to eat and my son said to my wife “I want to drive home with my buddy” and grabbed my hand. He is 11 and I AM spending time now. Not someday when I get free.

If you are an IBO now and have kids. DONT BELIEVE THE LIE!!!!! How in the heck are going to spend more time with your kids when they are in school all day and you are out every night? Even if you replace your income you are still going to be out every night and your kids will be at school?!?!?! I know several Emeralds and Diamonds whose kids are a mess. Just start asking some of the older pins “why arent you kids doing the BZ?” There are some, but not many compared to how many IBO’s there are.

I just responded to a post by another member whose son is in Quixtar and it got me thinking

Quixtar and especially The System took a huge toll on my life. I was a preteen when my parents got involved with Quixtar and spent my teen years and early twenties in The System. When I got out, I believe that I had become so acustomed to relying on my upline that I didn’t even really know how to think for myself. Many of the posts in this forum are about the hardships people have had in various MLMs. I can understand these hardships as well as anyone. borrowincI was just wanting to start a post about how people have changed since leaving their respective MLMs. I have been out for about 4 years and, for the first time, am truly happy. I have learned to think for myself and LOVE doing so. Of course, I mess up and learn from my mistakes, but I also do a lot of things right i.e. online borrow money at www.borrowlab.com I have a wonderful job and no longer think of it as a “J.O.B.” (“just-over-broke”). I actually enjoy working! I have a wonderful boyfriend and never have to go to open meetings as “dates.” I LOVE making new friends without thinking of them as potential prospects. I LOVE taking vacations instead of using my vacation time to attend functions! I LOVE – Heaven forbid – doing something for myself every now and then rather than always practicing delayed gratification. THANK GOD that I got out of Quixtar!!! Anyone else feel the same? Anyone else much happier and enjoying life? 🙂

Hi, I have just discovered this blog and joined a few minutes ago.

Wow, what can I say about my MLM experience? 30 years ago I was introduced to MLM (via the Amway blackboard and circles) and was captivated by the whole concept. In the intervening years I have joined many MLM “opportunities” with a consistent lack of success.
I stayed faithful to the concept, did everything I was told to do, read everything I was told to read, said everything I was told to say, bought everything I was told to buy, attended every meeting and event, listened to the big success stories of the big success distributors and followed everything to the letter. Finally got sick of hearing “it’s a numbers game, every NO brings you closer to a YES, just stick with it, keep pitching everyone within 3 feet of you” etc, etc, etc …. same old, same old

Now I’m retired both from MLM and my more traditional style business. It certainly is true that you never get anything more than “just over broke” in a job and every month there still is more month left than money. But MLM is never going to be the way towards the promised “time and financial freedom” for more than maybe 1% of all the millions chasing that elusive dream.

Thank you for allowing me to unburden myself. I look forward to a long and happy association with this blog of like-minded

Possible ?

yes. Likely ? NO. Statistically – you have less than 1/1000 chance of making it.

Other than that there are a couple of points.

In MLM, that means “pressure” your friends and family to abandon the free market and go with your scheme so you can benefit from it.

Second, Why would energy sold this way be cheaper ? Where would the money come from that pays your and your 4-5 uplines commissions ?

I guess what I am getting at, and what you will hear over and over on this forum, is that MLM is a fatally flawed concept – regardless of what you are peddling.

Hi! This is a first for me

I 1st met my MLM experience oh about 20 years ago. AL Williams buy term and invest the difference. At the time I thought this was a great concept that merited everyones attention. I mean buying protection for your family while investing for your future.
It was ahead of its time. Unfortunetely, I didn’t do well w/it. Years later and I thought wiser another MLM came along. This time in the energy sector. What better way to make money and share with your friends, family etc. The concept sell electricity in deregulated states. I’m in Texas and its here. Long story short is it possible to make a living with MLM?

God Bless

I stop trying to go for the easy money and start an business online. The best part is that I start my business up with very little money. I took advantage of all the free stuff online. I have been doing very well so far. I do hope things turn around for you.

I had to laugh at your post

When I first got involved in MLM, my father (a successful residential resort developer) was suspect but just asked me questions instead of being critical of it. One question was “would you give up your MLM for $2000/week right now”. And of course, my answer was “absolutely not..since I knew my MLM would bring in so much more eventually”.

I had to laugh at your post

When I first got involved in MLM, my father (a successful residential resort developer) was suspect but just asked me questions instead of being critical of it. One question was “would you give up your MLM for $2000/week right now”. And of course, my answer was “absolutely not..since I knew my MLM would bring in so much more eventually”.

just wondering

I see posts on here from people being concerned about their loved ones and MLM. I was just wondering what your experiences were prior to joining. Did anyone warn you guys? I know my Dad was concerned for me, but boy was he going to feel dumb when I was a millionaire! Now, I’m the one who feels dumb! I guess it just goes to show that no matter how old you are, you should still listen to your parents! I’d love to hear your experiences. Thanks all, have a great day! I’m off to my real job, the one that actually pays money (well kind of 🙂